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Daniel 11 Explained
(condensed ‘one page’ commentary)
‘Matthew 24’ Explained
(must match Revelation)
The ‘Seals’ Explained
(Revelation timeline revealed)
Seven Churches Explained
(Past & Present Church Prophecy)
Note: ‘Sitemap’ gives a complete list of all pages (by category).
‘Homepage’ shows timelines + summary.
Current Events from Daniel 11 (matching the Middle East)
ISIS - Saudi - Turkey
(Daniel 11: 24-27)
to the Abomination
(Daniel 11: 28-30)
Shiites re-take Persia
+ America’s Role Begins
(Daniel 11: 21-23)
Proof of the Rapture (pre-trib)
I was inspired to write this by an e-mail from someone who was trying to talk about the
rapture to a couple of Catholics and they had no knowledge of the concept at all. I also
encountered an old acquaintance recently who was interested in Biblical prophecy and end times
but never believed in the pre-trib rapture. He said every place in the Bible that people pointed
to for the rapture, he considered it the 2nd coming. On this page, I plan to give everyone an
easy way to explain the rapture and prove that it’s different from the 2nd coming.
1. Identify the rapture in Revelation
I think everyone agrees that Matthew 24:29-31, below, is describing Jesus’ return but there
are disagreements on whether its pre-trib, post-trib, or mid-trib (sometimes called pre-wrath).
29 "Immediately after the distress of those days, "'the sun will be darkened, and the
moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will
be shaken.' 30 "At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and
all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the
clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. 31 And he will send his angels with a
loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end
of the heavens to the other.
Obviously, Jesus returns simultaneously with the signs in the sun, moon, and stars in verse 29.
Well, that’s what identifies the rapture in Revelation because the 6th Seal has the exact same
signs, below, and even describes Jesus (the Lamb) appearing in the sky and people mourning.
12 I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned
black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, 13 and the stars
in the sky fell to earth, as late figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind.
14 The sky receded like a scroll, rolling up, and every mountain and island was removed
from its place. 15 Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the
mighty, and every slave and every free man hid in caves and among the rocks of the
mountains. 16 They called to the mountains and the rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from
the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb!
Note: In Revelation 7:9, the multitude of Christians are standing before the Lamb, with
palm branches, signifying arrival in heaven, thus proving the rapture in Revelation even more.
I know that ‘old pre-tribs’ put the rapture somewhere else in Revelation (ch. 4) but they were
just mistaken because they didn’t understand the Seals. That’s understandable because the
Seals would have been difficult to interpret correctly, prior to WWII and the Holocaust, which
was Seal 4. Now, it’s easy to see that Seals 1-5 are in the past and nothing else in Revelation
is pending before the rapture. ‘Old pre-tribs’ should embrace this explanation of the rapture
because the old way never made much sense (see bottom section), which is why they were
always mocked by the post-tribs. Yet, no one can deny the above connection with the 6th seal.
2. Identify the ‘tribulation’ in Revelation
Everyone agrees that there is a period of ‘tribulation’ but there’s a long-standing disagreement
about when this period occurs: before the 2nd coming or between the rapture and 2nd coming.
The solution is found in Revelation. Yet, some people have been confused over the following
verse, concerning the multitude in heaven with palm branches.
13 Then one of the elders asked me, "These in white robes- who are they, and
where did they come from?" 14 I answered, "Sir, you know." And he said,
"These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have
washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Post-tribs have used the above verse to say that the multitude must go through a period of
‘tribulation’ but they are also confused about the Seals. The meaning of the “great tribulation”
is in fact Seals 1-6, which makes sense because the statement is made after the 6th Seal and
points to the past. It makes even more sense when you consider that a person can only wash
their robe in the blood of the Lamb between the 1st Seal (resurrection) and the 6th Seal (rapture).
Seals 2-4 give a brief history of the Jews, during the last 2000 years, which includes two
70-year periods for proof. Seal 5 is just a waiting period for spreading the gospel, which is
where we are now. I suppose that the last 2000 years is called the “great tribulation” because
Satan was hurled to earth, when Jesus was born, and he vowed to make war against the
followers of Jesus. (Rev 12:9 & 17) In any event, the “great tribulation” refers to Seals 1-6,
which will be completed when the rapture takes place.
The period that most people call the ‘tribulation’, after the rapture, is actually the Trumpet
and Bowl plagues, which take place between the rapture (6th Seal) and Armageddon (7th Bowl).
When you say it like that, it exposes whether a post-trib is trying to over-lap the Seals,
Trumpets, and Bowls, in Revelation, which cannot be done. Besides the fact that the Seals
are in the past, over-lapping is wrong because it introduces contradictions, which forces some
things to be omitted, which is expressly forbidden by God. (below)
“And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from
him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.”
Simply put, post-tribs can’t over-lap the Seals, Trumpets, and Bowls because: 1. The Trumpets
don’t start until after the 7th Seal, which is a half-hour of silence. (Rev 8:1-6) The 7th Seal
naturally wouldn’t happen before the 6th Seal. And, since the 5th Trumpet takes at least
5 months (Rev 9:5), neither can they all happen during the 7th Seal. That’s common sense
because the 7th Seal is only half-an-hour and trumpets can’t sound during a ‘silence’ anyway.
Subsequently, the Bowls must take place after the Trumpets because the 2nd Trumpet and
the 2nd Bowl deal with the same things and give very different outcomes. The 2nd Trumpet
says that 1/3 of the sea is turned to blood and 1/3 of the sea creatures die. (Rev 8:8-9) On
the contrary, the 2nd Bowl says that all the sea is turned to blood and all the sea creatures die.
(Rev 16:3) Plus, the 1st Bowl mentions the ‘mark of the beast’, which happens between the
Trumpets and Bowls, in Revelation 13. Therefore, it’s obvious that the Seals, Trumpets, and
Bowls happen sequentially, as they were written, rather than overlapped and simultaneous.
Therefore, if the Seals, Trumpets, and Bowls are sequential, then the rapture cannot be
post-trib because many events happen in Revelation, after the 6th Seal, which is clearly
identified as the rapture. Likewise, the rapture cannot be mid-trib because the Seals are
in the past and there’s nothing left in Revelation to take place before the rapture.
By identifying the rapture in Revelation as the 6th Seal and proving the timeline to be
sequential, the ‘pre-tribulation’ rapture is proven and the period that most people
call the ‘tribulation’ is actually the Trumpets and Bowls. Thus, the rapture is very simple
to explain when the Seals are understood to be in the past.
I’ve shown that the rapture can be proven with Revelation but most post-tribs would rather
go back to Matthew and point to the first phrase of Matthew 24:29 (top of this page). Many
post-tribs don’t like the NIV version because it uses the word ‘distress’ instead of ‘tribulation’
so I’ll play along. What does it mean by, “Immediately after the tribulation in those days?”
Does that phrase prove post-tribulation? In a word, “No.”
1. Well, ‘tribulation’ is a common word that just means ‘distress’ so it actually means the
distress caused by the abomination (Matt 24:15), for which Jesus advises everyone in Judea
to flee to the mountains. He tells them twice to flee immediately, without going back to get
anything from their house, so the distress is coming fast. In fact, the abomination sets off a
chain of events that ends with the rapture so the distress is caused by the 6th Seal, which starts
with an earthquake. I think the earthquake triggers a tsunami, which is why they are told to
run for the mountains. The rest of the 6th Seal is the same as Matthew 24:29 so it makes sense
that the rapture is immediately after the distress caused by the earthquake and tsunami.
Note: Running for the mountains after the abomination covers the 6th Seal earthquake, which
is not listed in Matt 24:29. Yet, that shows why the abomination and rapture happen together.
2. Okay, for the sake of argument, let’s say that this word ‘tribulation’ means the same as
the “great tribulation” in Revelation 7:14. Does that prove anything for the post-tribs? No.
As soon as the abomination was set up and the 6th Seal started (earthquake), the “great
tribulation” was technically over because it’s too late, at that point, for anyone to wash
their robes in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore, it’s correct to say that the rapture comes
immediately after the “great tribulation” because that’s the Seals, and the 6th Seal had already
started. So, ‘pre-tribulation’ is still proven because it doesn’t mean after the tribulation of the
Trumpets and Bowls, (which are never actually referred to as a ‘tribulation’, in the Bible).
3. In general, Jesus’ prophecies in Matthew 24 were relatively vague, compared to Revelation,
which came later and was God’s definitive prophecy of end times. I mean, the disciples never
really understood that Jesus had to be crucified and resurrected until after it had happened.
It would have been premature and confusing to give details of Revelation that happen after
the rapture. I agree that most of Matthew 24 is chronological but verses 29-31 back up to the
abomination and happen right after the Jews run to the mountains, which is why they see the
Lamb, from the mountains, in Revelation 6:15-16. That’s not re-arranging anything but simply
saying that events for two different groups, the Jews and Christians, happen simultaneously.
That way, Matthew 24 agrees with Rev 7. After all, the rest of Matthew 24 (after verse 31)
is not chronological so why should post-tribs be so adamant about keeping verses 29-31 in
sequence, and in the process, over-lapping major parts of Revelation? That just doesn’t make
any sense, especially when there’s a severe warning about keeping Revelation complete.
Why is this so important?
It’s important to prove post-tribs wrong because they are deceiving people into thinking that
the antichrist, mark of the beast, and other things in Revelation are coming before the rapture,
which is plain wrong. That’s bad because if a person had doubts about the Bible and was told
that they could wait until they saw all those things happen, then it’s easy to see how they
could be caught by surprise and miss the rapture because they never got to know Jesus.
Post-tribs like to tell me that teaching pre-tribulation is “dangerous” because people will fall
for a false messiah on earth but that couldn’t be farther from the truth. It’s the Jews who are
looking for a messiah on earth, not pre-tribs. All pre-tribs know that Jesus will appear in the
sky so anyone on earth is automatically disqualified. On the contrary, teaching post-tribulation
is dangerous because re-arranging and overlapping Revelation inevitably leaves some things
out, which is forbidden by God. (Rev 22:19) I’m not trying to condemn anyone but God’s
warning is pretty straight-forward. Anyone who is trying to teach end times should know
that warning and avoid manipulating Revelation because the consequence is tragic.
Therefore, it’s important to rebuke post-tribs, both for their own good and for others.
Proof for Atheists
The above proof is valid for Bible enthusiasts but it means very little to atheists because
they don’t believe in the Bible. (Nor would it prove anything to Jews because they don’t
believe in the New Testament.) To prove anything to an atheist, you would first have to prove
that the Bible is real. That’s one thing that Daniel 11 can do because it matches verifiable
history to 29 consecutive verses (2 through 30), with no gaps, manipulations, or omissions.
If an atheist was open-minded and checked for themselves, they could see that only God
could proclaim a summary of events, 2500-years ago, and then make it happen. One verse
might be a chance encounter but 29-in-a-row can’t be an accident.
Salvation to Maturity
(a simply guide)
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printing on PDF.
Different Methods of Proof
A. Proof against the old-school pre-trib theory
Many people have written and said that they have changed from the old pre-trib theory
and that’s good. Yet, there are many who find it hard to give up the old way of thinking that
has been taught for over a century. I’m not trying to criticize people from the past because
God reveals things in His own time, such as the correct interpretation of the Seals, which is
really the only difference I have with the old theory. Yet, admitting that the rapture is the
6th Seal, instead of Revelation 4, clears up all the old discrepancies that cannot be ignored.
To help convince those who are still clinging to the old pre-tribulation theory, here is a list of
the main contradictions, again meant to instruct, not criticize.
1. The elders. If you ask someone who advocates for the old theory why the multitude from
every nation (gentiles) aren’t mentioned until Revelation 7, as opposed to Revelation 4, they
will say that the 24 elders in chapter 4 turn into the multitude, after laying their crowns
before the throne. However, that can’t be true because the 24 elders are still mentioned
throughout Revelation. In fact, John is talking to an elder about the multitude, in Rev 7:13.
Additionally, the elders are mentioned as a group in Revelation 7:11, 11:16, 14:3, and 19:4.
Therefore, it’s impossible for the elders in chapter 4 to represent or turn into the multitude.
2. The slain Lamb in Revelation 5 clearly represents the crucifixion of Jesus, so the end time
rapture simply cannot be in Revelation 4 because the events would be out of order.
3. The Rider on the white horse, in Seal 1, obviously represents the resurrection of Jesus,
which follows logically from the crucifixion in chapter 5. That interpretation agrees with
Revelation 19, which portrays Jesus as the Rider on the white horse, again. The old pre-trib
theory tries to say that Seal 1 is the arrival of Satan, on the white horse, but that is a serious
contradiction with Rev 19. I mean, If the two visions were in different books of the Bible,
they might have a leg to stand on, but we’re talking about the same set of visions that were
given to John, all at the same time. They are clearly both Jesus because God the Father
wouldn’t represent Satan and Jesus, in the same way, in the same set of visions. That’s
ridiculous and almost blasphemous.
4. The signs in the sun, moon, and stars, in Seal 6, perfectly match the rapture (gathering)
in Matthew 24:29-31. Both of these passages obviously deal with end times so there would
not be two different events so similar. In other words, they are the same event. Yet, if you
ask someone who advocates for the old pre-trib theory about this fact, it’s my experience
that they will completely ignore you and not answer. Yet, that doesn’t make it any less true.
My point is: Pre-tribulationists have had the right idea all along but the wrong execution.
After all, the modern version (1870’s) idea of pre-tribulation arose after a Scottish girl,
Margaret McDonald, had a vision of Jesus gathering the righteous (rapture) and later
returning to do battle (Armageddon). Yet, she didn’t attempt to interpret Revelation and
explain where the rapture was mentioned; early preachers such as John Darby and Cyrus
Scofield did that. Therefore, I’m not attempting to change people’s perception of the vision
received by God; I’m just offering the correct adaptation to Revelation. Again, I’m not
criticizing the early preachers because God reveals things in His own perfect time.
B. Proof against Post-tribs who manipulation Revelation
Some post-tribs have used the above contradictions, over the years, to ridicule pre-tribs
but post-tribs have much worse contradictions because they resort to over-lapping parts of
Revelation, which inevitably omits things, which is forbidden by God. (Revelation 22:19)
1. A person can’t overlap the Trumpets with the last Seal because the 7th Seal is a half-hour
of silence (Rev 8) and trumpets can’t sound during a silence. Some say that the rapture
is the 7th trumpet but that can’t be right because none of the trumpets can start until after
the 7th Seal (Rev 8) and the 5th trumpet takes at least 5 months (Rev 9:5). Therefore, the
trumpet plagues in Rev 8 cannot be the same as the “trumpet call of God” (1 Thess 4:16)
because they can’t start until after the multitude is already in heaven (Rev 7) and they can’t
happen in the twinkling of an eye.
2. A person can’t overlap the Bowls (Rev 16) with the Trumpets (Rev 8) because the 2nd
Trumpet deals with the same elements as the 2nd Bowl, but they are very different. I mean,
the 2nd Trumpet says that 1/3 of the sea is turned to blood and 1/3 of the sea creatures die.
(Rev 8:8-9) On the contrary, the 2nd Bowl says that all the sea is turned to blood and all the
sea creatures die. (Rev 16:3) Therefore, the Bowls must come after the Trumpets. Plus, the
1st Bowl mentions the ‘mark of the beast’, which happens in Revelation 13, between the
Trumpets and Bowls, which is further evidence that they are sequential.
3. A person can’t overlap the Bowls and Seals because of sequential logic and common sense.
I mean, if the Trumpets must come after the Seals and the Bowls must come after the
Trumpets, then the Bowls must come after the Seals and Trumpets, in sequential order.
Post-tribs don’t voluntarily disclose that they’re overlapping and re-arranging Revelation but
that’s exactly what they’re doing. They like to talk about the antichrist and mark of the beast
(Rev 13), which gets people’s attention so they can sell books and dvds. However, they’re
putting those things before the rapture by saying that the earthquake at Armageddon
(Rev 16:18) is the same as the earthquake in the 6th Seal (Rev 6:12), which is wrong.
I suppose they think the earthquake in Rev 11:13 is also the same but that’s the same as
omitting two earthquakes, which violates God’s warning in Rev 22:19. Don’t be fooled
by post-tribs because only a false prophet would change God’s prophecy in Revelation.
I’m just trying to point out that the pre-tribs (old-school) and post-tribs both interpreted
Revelation wrong, because neither interpreted the Seals correctly, but the post-tribs
are far worse in their manipulation of Revelation. Post-tribs should know better because
of God’s warning in Rev 22. Yet, they are the loudest and most critical of the other’s opinion.
I’m just trying to get Christians to agree on a logical and straight-forward explanation of
end times and Revelation that has no contradictions or omissions.