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Introduction   I’ve let it be known, for several years, that I don’t think gentiles get a second chance to be saved after the rapture.  I think that’s a common misconception that the church has spread for so long that people just believe it without really knowing where in scripture it comes from. Now that the signs indicate that the rapture is very near, it seems that a majority of my e-mails want to discuss or dispute whether people get a second chance.  If people try their best to get into heaven on the first chance, I don’t think they would have to worry about it.   I’ll try to explain my view more completely, and in doing so, I’ll present the opposing side also, as I always do.  There’s always two sides to every discussion and I just want people to have all the evidence to make an informed decision.    First, let me say that just because people want something to be true, and believe it for a long time, doesn’t mean that it’s correct, if scripture doesn’t support it.  Paul made it clear that “sound doctrine” is not something that the majority votes upon.  In other words, God will conduct end times according to what the scripture says, not what people think it says.    2 Timothy 4:3 “For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.”  Where did people get the idea of a 2nd chance?   I think the primary passage that people have used, over the years, to support a second chance doctrine, is Revelation 20.  However, I think it has been grossly generalized to include gentiles, where they shouldn’t be included.  Revelation 20:4-6  [after the tribulation] “And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5(The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.”   It’s clear that some people who are beheaded for not taking the mark of the beast will be rewarded by becoming priests during Jesus’ 1000-year reign on earth.  The second death, which is the lake of fire (20:14), will have no power over them, so I guess they proceed to heaven, once the 1000-years is over.  They just won’t be priests, after that, because I guess priests won’t be needed any longer.      My question is: Why would gentiles who missed the rapture become priests during the 1000-years?  It doesn’t make any sense.  Yet, it makes perfect sense if it’s talking about the 144,000 Israelites who are chosen in Revelation 7, and receive God’s seal on their foreheads, so they won’t be fooled into taking the mark of the beast.  Revelation 7:3-4 “Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God." 4 Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.”    In the same chapter, the multitude from every nation, or the Christians, are standing before the Lamb with palm branches, signifying arrival. (Rev 7:9)  That’s right after the 6th Seal, whose signs perfectly match the rapture in Matthew 24:29-31, and before the 7th Seal, which is a half-hour of silence before the Trumpet plagues start harming the land, sea, and trees.    In other words, there are two groups in Revelation 7, the 144,000 Israelites (or Jews) who stay on earth, and the Christians who are raptured to heaven.  That matches the two ‘select’ groups in Matthew 24:15-31.  One group is the 144,000 Jews who go through the perilous times on earth, after the abomination, and the other group is the Christians who are gathered immediately to heaven.  Post-tribulationists want people to believe that Matthew 24 describes just one group but that doesn’t agree with Revelation 7.  Matthew 24 just doesn’t go into as much detail as Revelation, but the two accounts of end times must match, and Revelation is the later, more detailed of the two. (see Matthew 24 page for full text and more details) The fate of the 144,000   Getting back to my previous point, it’s the 144,000 Israelites who are beheaded for not taking the mark of the beast and become priests during the 1000-years.  They are discussed again in Revelation 14 and 15, between the Trumpet and Bowl plagues, which is when they are martyred.  Their account is given in pieces because they are first pictured in heaven.  Then, a symbolic account of their martyrdom is given.  Then, chapter 15 presents them in heaven again.  Yet, it’s easy to see that it’s the same group throughout Revelation 14 and 15.  Revelation 14:1-3  [heaven] “Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father's name written on their foreheads. 2 And I heard a sound from heaven like the roar of rushing waters and like a loud peal of thunder. The sound I heard was like that of harpists playing their harps. 3 And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth.” Revelation 14:19-20  [martyrdom -middle of tribulation] “The angel swung his sickle on the earth, gathered its grapes and threw them into the great winepress of God's wrath.  They were trampled in the winepress outside the city, and blood flowed out of the press, rising as high as the horses' bridles for a distance of 1,600 stadia.” Revelation 15:2-3  [heaven] “And I saw what looked like a sea of glass mixed with fire and, standing beside the sea, those who had been victorious over the beast and his image and over the number of his name. They held harps given them by God and sang the song of Moses the servant of God and the song of the Lamb.”   As you can see, this group is the same as the 144,000 in Revelation 7 because they were sealed (with the Father’s name) on their foreheads.  There are no gentiles mentioned in this group because no one could learn the song except the 144,000, who had been redeemed from the earth.  Then it backtracks and explains how they were redeemed, by being martyred.  Note: The prophecy of the blood being up to the horses’ bridles probably just means that they are beheaded next to a river or stream that is turned completely red by so much blood.  Revelation 15 confirms that they were martyred for not taking the mark of the beast.  Plus, it confirms that they are the same group because it mentions the song that they were singing, in verse 3, which is the “song of Moses” because they are Israelites, not gentiles.    Thus, the 144,000 are also the group that is mentioned in Revelation 20, who are beheaded and become priests, but there’s no evidence of gentiles being included.  The other side … and further explanations   As I said, I will gladly give both sides and let people make up their own minds because I’m not trying to impose my opinion on others; I’m just trying to explain scripture as it is written.  Therefore, in the spirit of transparency, I was recently asked about the middle section of Revelation 14, which is about the only debatable part of the issue.  Revelation 14:6-13  [beginning of tribulation] 6 “Then I saw another angel flying in midair, and he had the eternal gospel to proclaim to those who live on the earth- to every nation, tribe, language and people. 7 He said in a loud voice, "Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of his judgment has come. Worship him who made the heavens, the earth, the sea and the springs of water." 8 A second angel followed and said, "Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great, which made all the nations drink the maddening wine of her adulteries." 9 A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: "If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, 10 he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. He will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever. There is no rest, day or night, for those who worship the beast and his image, or for anyone who receives the mark of his name." 12 This calls for patient endurance on the part of the saints who obey God's commandments and remain faithful to Jesus. 13 Then I heard a voice from heaven say, "Write: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on."  "Yes," says the Spirit, "they will rest from their labor, for their deeds will follow them."”    The question is: Why would the first angel proclaim the gospel to all nations if only the 144,000 have a chance to refuse the mark and achieve heaven after the rapture?  It could be that the angel is giving everyone fair warning about the mark of the beast, but only the 144,000, who have God’s seal on their foreheads, will be able to avoid it.  I mean, a lot of people think they can breeze through the Trumpet and Bowl plagues, and not get the mark of the beast, but I don’t think it will be as easy as they think.  Sure, everyone knows that they won’t be able to buy or sell, without the mark, but God will also send a “powerful delusion” so people will believe a certain lie from the false prophet.  2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 “The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 For this reason, God sends them a powerful delusion  so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.”    As you can see, refusing the mark is not just a matter of will-power, but people will be deceived into taking the mark.  Note: You can tell that the “lawless one”, in the above verse, is the false prophet, as opposed to the antichrist (Paul refers to them the same), because of the miracles, signs, and wonders, which is characteristic of the false prophet. Revelation 13:13-17  [false prophet] “And he performed great and miraculous signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to earth in full view of men. 14 Because of the signs he was given power to do on behalf of the first beast, he deceived the inhabitants of the earth. He ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. 15 He was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that it could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. 16 He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.”   So, what is the lie?  Satan is full of lies so it could be similar to how he deceived Eve into disobeying God, by saying, “You will not surely die” if you touch or eat the fruit. (Genesis 3:4)  On the contrary, he convinced her that she would gain “wisdom” if she ate it. (v.6)  In similar fashion, the false prophet could deceive people with his extraordinary miracles to the point that he disputes the angel’s warning and tells people that the mark of the beast is harmless and will not send them to hell.  On the contrary, he could convince people that he has the power to save them from God’s wrath, if they just take the mark and worship the beast.  You might think that people wouldn’t fall for something like that, but God will send a “powerful delusion” so people will believe the lie, and take the mark.    So, what is the delusion? It could be the fact that the false prophet is allowed to perform all the miraculous signs, especially causing fire to come down from heaven, which is the colossal miracle that Elijah presided over, when he convinced the Israelites to kill the 850 prophets of Baal and Asherah. (1st Kings 18:19-40)  The false prophet could even set the event up in similar fashion, like a contest, because it says, “in full view of men.”  Given the fact that the antichrist will have successfully killed the two witnesses, before that, then it could be a very convincing argument that he is somehow more powerful than God, and the angel was wrong.  I’m not making anything up; I’m just using facts from the Bible.  When you think about it, people will want to believe it, because they will have little hope otherwise.    So, why would God do that?  As Paul explains: “So all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.”  The time to believe the truth about Jesus, and be saved, is now, not after the rapture.  As the saying goes, “People want their cake and eat it too.”  They want to ignore Jesus and delight in wickedness, now, and then be saved after the rapture, but it just won’t work like that because God will send a delusion.  So ‘yes’, the angel in Revelation 14 is indeed giving the warning to the whole world, as the verse says, but it’s mainly concerning the 144,000, whom the whole chapter is about. Time cut short for the 144,000   The only ones who won’t fall for the delusion is the 144,000, who have God’s seal on their foreheads, which brings us back to the first ‘select’ group in Matthew 24.  Matthew 24:21-25  [during tribulation] “For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now-and never to be equaled again. 22 If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. 23 At that time if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or, 'There he is!' do not believe it. 24 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect- if that were possible. 25 See, I have told you ahead of time.”    The ‘elect’ in verse 24 are the 144,000 Israelites, who are chosen to receive God’s seal on their foreheads, in Revelation 7.  Thus, it will be literally impossible to deceive them.   Yet, “if those days were not cut short”, for their sake, even they might not survive.  The time is cut short because they are martyred in Revelation 14 and 15, after the Trumpet plagues, but before the Bowl plagues, which are the most severe.  In fact, the mark of the beast won’t even be initiated, at least not in Israel, until the Trumpets are over, because that’s when the beast will invade the “Beautiful Land” (Daniel 11:41) and kill the two witnesses (Revelation 11:7).  In other words, the beast can’t force anyone in Israel to do anything, while the two witnesses are prophesying, because they have plenty of power too. (Revelation 11:3-6)  Yet, after 1260 days, Israel is invaded and the two witnesses are killed.  That’s when the Jews will be forced to receive the mark of the beast, which I suspect to go into effect, 30-days later, on the 1290th day after the abomination. Daniel 12:10-12 10 Many will be purified, made spotless and refined, but the wicked will continue to be wicked. None of the wicked will understand, but those who are wise will understand.  11 "From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days. 12 Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1,335 days.   In general, Daniel 12 is referring to the Jews, Daniel’s own people (v.1), as opposed to Daniel 11 (God’s Book of Truth), which is a complete timeline of empires in the Middle East.  Once again, the ones who are purified and refined are the 144,000 who have God’s seal on their foreheads.  The “days are cut short” because they only have to avoid the mark of the beast for 45 days, between days 1290 and 1335.  That’s when the angel will symbolically swing his sickle and they will be rounded up, by the beast, and martyred next to a river.  Therefore, the phrase “or no one would survive” is not referring to life on earth, but rather eternal life by avoiding the mark.    Everyone else will be subject to the mark of the beast for the remaining 3-years, until the 2300th day, at which time Jesus will re-consecrate the temple (Daniel 8:14), and start His 1000-year reign, after Armageddon. (Rev 19 & 20)  No one will survive the 3-years because they will be deceived into believing Satan’s lie, with the help of God’s delusion.  The 6th Trumpet War   Another clue that people in general will stay wicked and not turn to God, after the rapture, is the passage that follows the 6th Trumpet War, which is a huge war that “kills a third of mankind.” (Revelation 9:13-19 Revelation 9:20-21 The rest of mankind that were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands; they did not stop worshiping demons, and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood-idols that cannot see or hear or walk. 21 Nor did they repent of their murders, their magic arts, their sexual immorality or their thefts.”   Therefore, when God sends His delusion, during the last 3-years of tribulation, after the two witnesses are killed, He’s not trying to fool any good and wholesome people.  Actually, there’s no evidence that there will be any, because mankind will be thoroughly wicked and corrupt.    Of course, that’s the same war where the beast (North) defeats the South, including Egypt, and invades the Beautiful Land (Daniel 11:40-43), killing the two witnesses. (Revelation 11:7)  That same war is described in Revelation 13, led by the antichrist (before verse 11, when the false prophet arrives).  Revelation 13:7-10 7 “He was given power to make war against the saints and to conquer them. And he was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation. 8 All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast -all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world.   9 He who has an ear, let him hear.  10 If anyone is to go into captivity, into captivity he will go.  If anyone is to be killed with the sword, with the sword he will be killed.  This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of the saints.   Once again, verses 9 and 10 are directed towards the 144,000, as another warning to endure faithfully, not taking the mark of the beast, because that’s when it’s about to start.  All others will be fooled into worshipping the beast because the antichrist will have some kind of authority over every nation.  (I’m guessing it could have something to do with Bitcoin, or other digital currency, because that would require everyone to receive a mark or chip, in order to buy or sell.)  When it specifies, “all whose names have not been written in the book of life”, it’s talking about everyone on earth, at that time, because everyone whose names WERE in the Book of Life will be in heaven, enjoying the Wedding Supper of the Lamb.  What about gentiles who are martyred?   After the rapture, gentiles who are left behind will flock to Jerusalem, to see the two witnesses, and see about getting a second chance.  That is known because of what John is told in Revelation 11, which is the same chapter as the account of the two witnesses. Revelation 11:1-2 “Go and measure the temple of God and the altar, and count the worshipers there. But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles. They will trample on the holy city for 42 months.   That is the same 42-months that the two witnesses will prophesy but it doesn’t sound promising because the outer court is excluded.  Plus, “trample” does not sound like an endearing description for the gentiles’ visit.  Besides, as I said in the previous section, the mark of the beast doesn’t even start until after the 42-months are over and the two witnesses are killed, during the 6th Trumpet War.  Yet, I guess some gentiles could get martyred for instructing others, along with the wise, as in verses 33 and 34 below. Daniel 11:32-35  [after abomination and rapture] 32 With flattery he will corrupt those who have violated the covenant, but the people who know their God will firmly resist him. 33 "Those who are wise will instruct many, though for a time they will fall by the sword or be burned or captured or plundered. 34 When they fall, they will receive a little help, and many who are not sincere will join them. 35 Some of the wise will stumble, so that they may be refined, purified and made spotless until the time of the end, for it will still come at the appointed time.   Once again, the “wise” are probably the 144,000 because the same three adjectives: “refined, purified and made spotless” are used in Daniel 12:10 (above), when talking about Daniel’s own people.  They will be the Jews who are most loyal to God, probably the Haredi (ultra-orthodox) because they don’t defile themselves with women during worship, as the Reform Jews do. (Revelation 14:4 & Zech 12:12)  Yet, some gentiles will indeed “join them”, probably for “instructing many” and getting martyred for their trouble, but notice that God labels them as “not sincere.”  That too does not sound very promising for the gentiles.   Plus, the two witnesses don’t have any good news for the world’s population.  I’ve heard many people insinuate that the two witnesses will be preaching about salvation, but that’s not the case.  Prophesying just means ‘giving the truth’, which is obviously bad news because the Bible says that they “torment those who live on the earth.”  In fact, when the two witnesses are killed by the beast, people “refuse them burial, gloat over them, and celebrate by sending each other gifts.” (Revelation 11:7-10)  Now, if the two witnesses were telling everyone that they had a second chance and could still get to heaven, would people be “tormented?” Can I give gentiles any hope at all?   If someone is reading this after the rapture (and I imagine this page will be very popular then), and you find yourself faced with the decision to take the mark of the beast or die, then don’t take it.  It would be better to die.  Although I’m almost positive that a gentile martyr will not become a priest during the 1000-years, there’s one sentence, in the parenthesis of that passage, that might give a little hope.  It says, “The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.” (Revelation 20:5)  Combine that with Revelation 14:13, which says, Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on."  "Yes," says the Spirit, "they will rest from their labor, for their deeds will follow them."”  Well, during the Great White Throne judgement, after the 1000-years are over, the dead will be judged by “what they had done” (Rev 20:12-13), which is another phrase for “deeds.”  Thus, there’s no guarantee that a gentile being martyred will get to heaven, but that last deed couldn’t hurt, so go for it.    Yet, the Great White Throne is mainly for those who lived before Jesus, and perhaps for some who are born during the 1000-years, because they won’t have the same opportunity to be saved through faith in Jesus.  Note: For people who were raptured, the Great White Throne will be a formality because they already know their name is in the Lamb’s Book of Life.  If someone truly has never heard of Jesus or Christianity, then they will be judged accordingly: by their thoughts and actions. (Romans 2:14-16)  Yet, a person cannot fool God by claiming ignorance because God knows everything.  I don’t think people who had a chance to be saved, through faith and didn’t take it, will be judged very favorably because sins are deeds too “For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.” (Romans 3:23)  If someone didn’t take the opportunity to have their sins erased by the blood of the Lamb, when they had the chance, then those sins will probably overshadow any deeds.  I’m purposely not giving much hope because I don’t want people to rely on it and miss the rapture, but if you’re reading this and already missed it, then that final deed of martyrdom couldn’t hurt.  Best of luck. Final words   Therefore, a person could probably cherry-pick a verse or two that makes it sound like everyone gets a second chance, but I think I’ve provided abundantly more evidence to suggest that they don’t.  In my view, if there was the slightest chance what-so-ever that gentiles don’t get a second chance, then I think it’s wrong to tell them that they do, because that could give them a false sense of security.  It could make them procrastinate about accepting Jesus, not wanting to turn from wickedness, which could be an eternal mistake.    God told Ezekiel that if he warned the people, then their blood would be on their own hands.  However, if he didn’t warn them, then their blood would be on his hands. (Ezekiel 33:8-9)  As such, if I’m wrong about the gentiles’ second chance, which I don’t think I am, then great news for the ones who manage to get martyred.  However, I would never tell someone that they definitely had a second chance, because if they relied on that and I was wrong, then their blood would be on my hands.  Hopefully, my hands will be clean because I’m telling people to be saved now; please don’t wait.  I suggest others tell people the same. Final, final words: God does not leave the guilty unpunished   I’ve also had several e-mails suggesting that God’s loving nature is why He gives everyone a second chance, but that’s not really based on scripture.  Sure, God is patient and doesn’t want anyone to perish (2 Peter 3:9), but sooner or later, patience runs out and prophecy gets fulfilled.  I could pull up countless scripture to illustrate that many people will be going to hell.  Anyone who sees God as gentile and kind and too loving to send people to hell, is choosing to only see half the picture.  Exodus 34:6-7  [God’s own description of Himself] “He passed in front of Moses, proclaiming, "The LORD, the LORD, the compassionate and gracious God, slow to anger, abounding in love and faithfulness, maintaining love to thousands, and forgiving wickedness, rebellion and sin.  Yet he does not leave the guilty unpunished …”   If God thought enough to include that in His proclamation to Moses, then He hasn’t changed His mind.  In fact, Jesus prophesied that a ‘majority’ of the world will go to their ‘destruction’.  Matthew 7:13-14  [Jesus said,] “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.”    Only a “few” find it, relatively speaking, because only a few actually look.  Jesus said, “Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.”  (Matthew 7:7)  Therefore, anyone who seeks, finds, but that takes an initial effort.    People who don’t think they need Jesus because they are “good people” and “do good deeds”, are sadly mistaken.  As Paul pointed out, “All people have sinned.”  (Romans 3:23)  No amount of ‘good deeds’ will erase that fact, only repentance.  Revelation 3:15-17 15 “I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! 16 So, because you are lukewarm-neither hot nor cold-I am about to spit you out of my mouth. 17 You say, 'I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.' But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked.   Notice the phrase: “you do not realize”, which is further evidence that ignorance is not a worthy excuse that will be considered.  Everything that people need to know is in the Bible, if they just bother to look.  If a person truly can’t get access to a Bible, then they should seek God through prayer or any means possible.  Faith is believing in what you can’t see. Hebrews 11:6 “Without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.   Faith in what?  For those who are reading this before the rapture, you must believe in your heart that God exists, that Jesus is the Son of God, and that Jesus died so that your sins could be forgiven.  If you do, then confess your sins (out loud in prayer) and ask forgiveness. (Romans 10:9)  It’s that simple.  Plus, you must also believe that Jesus rose from the dead, ascended to heaven, resides with the Father, and will someday return, so that you can be ‘changed’ and meet Him in the air. (1st Corinthians 15:51-52 & 1st Thessalonians 4:17)  That’s what faith and hope are all about.  Then, love your neighbor as yourself. (Matt. 22:39) Re-written: 11-15-2017 Available for printing in PDF format. Available for printing in PDF format. Related page: The Antichrist
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